As open borders lobbyists push for an amnesty by way of a “DACA fix” or the DREAM Act, others are challenging the legitimacy of the current U.S. – Mexico border. Some prominent Mexicans are making the case that Mexico should return to its 1848 boundaries, by eliminating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, a treaty that gave the U.S. large swaths of territory in the southwest. These were territories that were in dispute after the end of Spanish colonial rule in the area. At the end of the Mexican-American War, some 90 percent of residents in these territories chose to become U.S. citizens rather than Mexican citizens.
“The Mexican community on both sides of the border must be in solidarity and demand that the government go before the International Court of Justice of the United Nations and demand the revocation of the Hidalgo Treaty and compensation in the form of citizenship.” Reads a statement from the group Mexico Defends Yours. “Enough is enough! Stop the deportations!”
(Treaty of Hidalgo from Library of Congress)
The group attempts to make the case that territory in certain states was illegally gained by the United States Army during the Mexican – American War. And so there is no such thing as an illegal alien. “We are one, with or without papers,” they allege.
Separately, Cuauhtemoc Cardenas, a left-wing politician and former presidential candidate in Mexico, has also called for the Mexican Government to bring a lawsuit against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice. Cardenas’ attorney has promised to make a “strong and tough case… They [The U.S. Army] were in Mexican territory in a military invasion.” Acknowledging the practical impossibility of recovering lost territory, Cardenas instead wants monetary compensation for the United States use of the land over the past 168 years. In order for Cardenas case to be taken up, Mexico’s President Enrique Pena Nieto would have to adopt the suit. Nieto has declined to do so, but it could become an issue during Mexico’s next presidential election in July 2018.
Cardenas currently leads the organization “Por Mexico Hoy” or “For Mexico Today,” which according to its mission statement seeks to build “towards a sovereign country, of equals with justice and freedom.”
The thought that Cardenas’ and other groups would be making a push for Mexico to recover losses because of an “illegal” occupation by the U.S. in states like California is ironic, to say the least. California has become a sanctuary state, harboring millions of illegal immigrants, the majority of whom are from Latin America. California Governor Jerry Brown has even begun pardoning illegal aliens facing deportation.
This type of deference to illegal aliens by states like California has clearly emboldened some of the open border lobby in Mexico. But make no mistake, even if such a lawsuit to end the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is taken up by the Pena Nieto administration it likely has a slim chance of ever succeeding in the courts.
If these would be invaders expect the United States to throw it’s sovereignty in the garbage and bow down to the terrorists of the United Nations, they’ve lost already. The UN doesn’t tell the United States what to do. They can make suggestions, but we are not under any authority but our own by the grace of the King Jesus.
Don’t forget that the US payed 15,000,000 dollars as part of the treaty. So techinally, that land was bought and paid for. Illegal occupation is void and mute.
MEXICAN PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN CONTROL THE LAND WE GAVE BACK TO THEM AFTER THE WAR. AMERICA COULD HAVE KEPT ALL OF MEXICO AT THAT TIME BUT JUST GAVE IT BACK TO THEM. THEY CANNOT CREATE LAW AND ORDER THERE AND HAVE A GOV. FOR THE PEOPLE . THEY DAMN SURE CANNOT CONTROL MORE TERRITORY. THIS BUNCH ARE JUST A BUNCH OF MORONS THAT HAVE PEA SIZE BRAINS. YOU DON’T JUST DECIDE YOU ARE GOING TO WALTZ IN AND TAKE A TERRITORY OF THE USA. BETTER WORK ON WHAT WE GAVE BACK TO YOU BY TRYING TO CIVILIZE IT. THEY WANT TO TAKE LAND THAT OUR PEOPLE CIVILIZED AND DEVELOPED FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY ARE TOO IGNORANT TO DO THE SAME IN THEIR TERRITORY OF WHICH WE WON IN THE WAR BUT ALLOWED THEM TO REMAIN AND LIVE IN. THEY NEED TO CLEAN UP AND CIVILIZE AND CONTROL THE GOV. OF THE TERRITORY THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN.
In the war we won , excuse me, you and I didn’t win ****. Beck in the day people from England Britain , wherever they came from , have been taking land from people this lend want yours or mine . it belonged to the natives . do some more research please.
And Spain didn’t subjugate and occupy Mexico “illegally”?!?! Your “grasp” of history is severely biased and distorted and is totally irrelevant to any serious discussion concerning immigration. Doesn’t the Mexican Constitution dictate a mandatory 2 year minimum prison sentence for entering Mexico illegally?!?! But the USA is denounced vociferously for just wanting to deport illegal trespasser’s and strengthen it’s borders?!?! Such hypocracy is extremely poisonous to any serious debate over U.S. immigration “reforms”.
The then Governor of California wanted the US to make California a state, and historically did what he could to make it happen. He knew California’s greater destiny would be with America, not Mexico. The Californian Constitution, modeled after the US Constitution; is in Spanish. All was for the Catholics in Spain, the Spanish land grants attest to that. The rulers in Mexico, to this day are WHITE EURO CHRISTIANS! They took your lands, destroyed three cultures, and your histories ; gave you a EUROPEAN language , and a European religion. You still love Mexicico? I pity the “Mexican” who is hated by the Descendants of the Conquistadores who ran you out. They slaughtered 10,000 of you in what, the 80’s? The un reported by American press Cheopolis farmer revolt!
Time to tell Mexico that they better start enforcing border security and stop the flow of illegal immigrants or we will shut off the flow of their people coming across to work here!
All Mexicans no matter where they live, especially the Indians who their beloved Spanish Catholic Euro culture hates; which is why they force you into US as slaves; should arm themselves to the teeth, and TAKE BACK MEXICO!!!! You Aztec, Incan, Mayan, Cheopalis and the rest got screwed by SPAIN! NOT BY US!! We give you MORE than your own government ! FIX MEXICO!! MKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN: and THEN come and get us!
OK. So if they think like that, maybe it is time for the US to raclaim the portion of now Northern Mexico, including the tip of the Sea of Cortez; that was included in the original treaty! Do you even know that the surveyor who was sent to mark the Mexico Arizona border never made it to the sea? That’s right, the border was to run to the Pacific Ocean, folks! This would close California off from Mexico, and give Arizona a blue water port! Check with the Dons of Arizona for exact historical documentation. Time to enforce the old , original treaty! Two can play this game!
We should make Mexico a territory with no rights of citizenship, voting rights, economic benefits other than private business trade. It must give up its nationality and national flag.
Are they going to pay for all the improvements made to “their” land? LMAO.
Exactly. If they had remained Mexico, it would be just as much a **** hole as Mexico still is. If California is part of Mexico somehow or they would win this fight (which I don’t see happening ever) not only would it make them still illegals in America because that would make the land Mexico, but they would then lose the support of the USA financially. We could also then refuse to trade with them and just move our gdp ports to another costal state. Let’s just end all entitlements like welfare period, further reduce taxes and then they can all stay here and not mooch off of us, but instead pay taxes and take care of themselves.
Same bs… Illegals want something for nothing. I’ve put up with illegal mexicans since I was in the 3rd grade…. And they weren’t nice or cool… They terrorized me until I learned how to deal with them the same way. No more illegals period… And we speak English in public hete you illegals…. God bless America and all Patriotic Americans…..
AMEN! ANY STATE IN AMERICA WAS THE PROPERTY OF MY PEOPLE! NATIVE AMERICANS! SO GIVE IT BACK TO THEM! NOT ILLEGALS! AND YES ENGLISH IS OUR LANGUAGE! NOT SPANISH! GET OUT ALL ILLEGALS/ANCHOR BABIES AND DACA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DON’T WANT U HERE ON OUR GOVERNMENT BENEFITS U NEVER EARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing is our DNA is showing 30% native . And the white people who claim native blood , have less than 2% . Don’t claim none of that hogwash BS . Don’t make your self look stupid .
If Mexico were to get back California and the ceded territories we’d have illegal aliens sneaking into Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming.
They sneak in now. We are becoming inundated with them, as our Governor has deemed Porltand as a sanctuary city. We also have legal pot and the Mexican cartels are more active than ever. Crime has become extremely serious. I think Washington, Oregon and California are headed toward becoming the United Communist Republic of Western North America.
You are correct but you forgot the commie NY, Hawaii and a lot of commie cities like Chicago, Austin and commie librat politicians want to turn Texas and Florida, Virginia to be come communist state like Mexifornia & NY by rampant voter frauds in nation wide where invaders, felons and dead folks could all voted for decades. I got worse now when the number of invaders grew fastest by 8 years of commie muslim Obuma also under coward RINO Bushes and commie pervert Clinton.
Regarding NY, our wonderful governor has opened the floodgates to people from PR. I get it, they had a terrible hurricane. But I am a teacher, and having 2-3 kids who speak no/very little English added to each class….very disruptive. Not to mention the fact that the kid is getting very little out of school since they don’t speak or understand English (this depends from where in PR they are from” Granted, they are United States Citizens, but before dealing with Mexico’s “demands” we need to decide what to do about PR. Either we need to let it go, or demand that English is taught alongside Spanish. People come from there, and use up taxpayer resources (even as adults) to learn English and be supported by social services until they speak enough English to be employed. It is ridiculous!
Sorry, my reply missed some words because some thing wrong with my key board and it’s my fault to not review its.
I hated CA now but I have to stay here to vote even though my vote is canceling by invaders but it’s still better than give up our beautiful state to commie Mexico and librat party.
What Herr Zimmermann couldn’t achieve in 1917, these groups hope to now. Mexico essentially squandered these lands and their resources during the period it held them, and terrorized their residents with an arbitrary and capricious government headed by a series of dictators, the worst of which was Santa Anna. We should have gained Baja California in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, too. Can you imagine how fruitful it would be now, and how much better off its residents would be, if we had? “Sad.”
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN MEXICO————IN YOUR DREAMS.!!!!!
My thoughts exactly. The war’s been over for 170 years. It’s about time for Mexico to get over it.
Mexico doesn’t want to face Texans in battle, much less the U.S. military! Back in 1973(?) there was a border dispute due to the Rio Grande changing course and Mexico moved troops up in an effort to “imtimdate” the U.S. and it didn’t work then and it ain’t gonna work now!!! Texans and Texicans will fight for our sovereignty, with or without the support of anyone else!!!!!
GIVE IT TO THEM, PUT A SPECIAL IDENTITY CHIP IN THEM, (UNLIKE THE ONE THAT WAS SECRETLY IMPLANTED IN ME), AND PUT UP A GREAT BIG UGLY FENCE. THEN THEY WILL BE ON THEIR OWN. NO EXITS.
….give it to Mexico, build the fence and pray for the earthquake!
Better yet, annex the rest of Mexico! We don’t need their government!
That’s why we should never annex them.
Better yet. Annex the rest of Mexico! We don’t need they’re government!
Lots of luck trying to get back territory that you didn’t settle or develop. Thousands of square miles that you claimed but never occupied with anything more than a few trading posts and presidios with Indian slaves working the mission gardens?
For centuries, people have conquered other people’s lands, and societies have developed and prospered under those changes. Nations have matured. It seems to me that the Mexicans doing the bragging are those who are jealous of us. They could do as we did if they had a government that actually helped it’s own people…..the mestizos who work and try to raise their children in poverty because of the government that keeps them poor!
what idiocy. have you not traveed the USA? clearly our marks are everywhere! Especially North USA where we migrated from! Duh, everything in North America is named after the Aztecs. wooooow. Get a clue of where you live.
Wrong! The Aztec never stepped foot over the Rio Grande River! They were met with military might of the Comanche, Apache, Pima, Maricopa and more native tribes! Nothing over the Rio Grande was EVER Aztec !
Wrong!! Never heard of Aztecland in Illinois.. The settlement is over 5,000 years old.. This was covered by a science program on history ch.
AMEN!!!! MY PEOPLE!!!
Mexico was STOLEN by Spaniards! Give Mexico back to the Aztecs! LOL
If anyone one needs to get a clue it is undoubtedly you.
Uh, dumb dumb? We are well aware of your “marks everywhere”. But after we came we brought something you never heard of, let alone used.
First it was the outhouse, then indoor plumbing.
You simply dumped wherever you squatted.
As you said, “Get a clue of where you live.” And in your case, HOW you lived.
Just because your “marks” have been left behind does NOT mean you have a right to the land of a sovereign nation. Mexico needs to develop it’s own land (andpeople) before trying to “reclaim” land that has been developed, settled and owned by USA for over a hundred years.
Hispanics settled and developed that land long before you Protestant heretics ever set foot in American soil. That’s why the cities have Spanish names…San Diego is older than the USA!
**** the Mexicants !!!! & The liberals ? It’s time to **** them up ??☠
TracyHatch samish Indian nation Washington State ???
It’s time to send in the military & solve this ******** ??☠
TracyHatch samish Indian nation Washington State ??? take them out send in the military now !!!
Of course, we have here more ignorance of history. The aboriginal people of America lived here for thousands of years before the nation of Mexico emerged. Mexico lost the subject territory to the U.S. because it could not hold onto it during the U.S.-Mexico war. In fact, Mexico never held the subject territory as a whole except by claim, with at most nominal administrative control.
Moreover, this modern claim to lost territory flies in the face of a treaty recognized under international law nearing 170 years old. As a rule, nobody reverses history except by force of arms. That conflict potential in this matter stands at nil.
Instead, both modern governments engage in mutual trade under another treaty, an economic agreement serving their interests.
Further, one could argue that Mexico enjoys the intangible benefit of protection from invasion or similar hostilities from any corner due to its proximity to the U.S., under whose shield it lies.
People familiar with Mexico, however, will understand the powerful emotional appeal among Mexicans for restoring their lost territory despite the facts of war, history, and treaty.
An astute reader will note that this news report makes no mention of specific instance of injustice. Taking an issue to a court requires more than emotionalism. A party seeking justice needs as a must the facts and information on its side describing an injustice which only the court may resolve.
But who can say with assurance how the International Court of Justice will respond to such an appeal from Mexico against the U.S., to overturn an international treaty.
We may see.
The so-called “International Court of Justice” could rule any way it wanted but it would matter not.
IF they were stupid enough to rule the Cession as invalid such a ruling would not be accepted since it would essentially invalidate all such documents throughout the world.
It most certainly wouldn’t be recognized by the US.
That would leave us where we currently are, with a bunch of ignorant malcontents who’ve invaded an adjoining country and trying to alter it to their liking. Which more than likely, should such people push the wrong part of the legal inhabitants too hard, result in having an ‘*********** on a hostile enemy invading army, aka “illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants, ********, etc, etc.”
That would not end well for them, as NO court, World or otherwise, could rule that they are anything but “illegal aliens” and NO country with any sense of reality would try to say otherwise lest THEY become a target as well. (Look at what is happening in the Eurozone for confirmation. The citizens of those countries are rather angry at their leaders for permitting, if not encouraging, their self-destruction. The ONLY difference is that they invited their destruction themselves. The Hispanics, et al, in the US WERE NOT invited in.)
No, I see only a bunch of ignorant, illegal alien invaders who are putting themselves in the line of fire. Literally.
My advice, pack up and go “home” to whichever “sh*thole” country you came from.
While you still can.
Amen! And if they choose to stay here, get legally documented, learn and speak English ( the “common language”), and assimilate into society!!!!
Yep. You raped and pillaged the native peoples for Isabella and Ferdinand. Devastated them with your diseases, especially syphillis which you were well known for in those days, Following is a link to the KNOWN SPANISH Conquistadors who participated in those activities. I use a link because the list is very, very, extensive.( List of conquistadors – Wikipedia )
Maybe we’ll just file a suit on behalf of those who were there BEFORE YOU!. Apparently they were a lot more civilized and remained in their areas instead of trying to wipe out their indigenous natives adjacent to them like you SPANISH.
And let’s not forget just how far The Inquisition extended… Just another thing you worthless pieces of dung passed on to both the civilized and “New World”. In case you didn’t notice, you are one the “sh*tholes” of the world so recently and famously brought before the world.
As for the dropping of the words “illegal alien”, there are a great many who would be happy to alter that for you to “illegal alien invader-deceased”.
Really!?!? What did Spain do in the region except plunder the resources, subjugate the native population without giving them rights, forcefully make them adopt an “official religion” and send more administrators and troops from Spain to plunder and subjugate ever more area and natives???? What other country EVER freed and lifted out of poverty and despair more people’s than the USA ?!?! There is a telling reason that Mexico/Spain aren’t called “the bastion of freedom” in the world. They also aren’t known for producing products that enrich mankind through scientific, engineering,medicine, or academic discipline’s. Just remember, you can go to Japan , Mexico, France or any other country, but you will not be Japanese, Mexican or French. But you CAN come to The USA and through citizenship be an AMERICAN !!!!!
Hold on. Now you are talking about land that was conquered by the Spanish. So which is it? Are you going to hold to the culture of your conquerors? Or return to those tribal groups like the Aztec? Either way, Mexico is a land of the conquered. As is California, Texas etc. Methinks you need to deal with the fact that your culture lost and ours won. Develop the land you have in Mexico. Improve your own government..
There is another way we could restore unity. Draft all illegal immigrants. Station them on the southern border. Promise land grants for those who will fight. March south until we take the Falklands.
Finally, a sensible solution.
You forgot to mention that behind those drafted illegal immigrants posted to the southern border would be an army of American Patriots to make sure the illegals knew which way to go.
Wouldn’t work, we aren’t merciless like ancient Rome. But if we impose a 2 year indentured servitude sentence on any illegal border crosser then deport them with a prejudicial clause that prevents them from ever gaining U.S. citizenship, I suspect the illegal trespass problem will virtually cease to occur. Oh and repeal the 14th amendment. It was only passed to prevent deportation of newly freed slaves and their progeny, not “anchor babies”!!!!!!
How much do we bill them for saving them from being conquered by the Comanches and having to all learn to speak Comanche? How much will they pay us in reparations for shooting unarmed American prisoners in the back at the Mier Massacre? How much will they pay us in reparations for all the discrimination against Americans when they were allowed to settle on Mexican land PROVIDED they renounced their religion and became Catholic, and renounced their American citizenship. How much do we fine them for tens of millions of border violations? even today Americans are not allowed to truly own land in Mexico. It has to be held in trust by a Mexican bank. Discrimination? You bet! They had over 20 different classifications of racial quality depending on how much European Spanish blood you had. If your child married someone with more European blood they could increase the racial quality of your family. Discrimination? Absolutely. And we really should bill them so much extra for having to listen to Jorge Ramos’ whining all the time while he sends his kids to private school. Why? Probably discrimination again. Who does he want to keep his kids away from? In Miami? You may draw your own conclusions. When California had its first gold rush in 1834, miners from Sonora had to wait to come here. Know why? They had to get permission from the Mexican government to move! Yup, no moving was allowed without official Mexican government permission. Now you get why business is so hard to do in Mexico. Why job creation is so poor. How many of the 11 to 40 million illegal aliens we have living here today had official Mexican government permission to move here, hmmmm? Probably zero.
Spot on. At least until you got to the next to last sentence. It is a KNOWN fact that the Mexican government did encourage the illegal ‘immigration’ into the US. The purpose of which was to have those illegals send money home to ‘support their families’ but in reality to get the remittances, in the latest calculated year, 2016, amounted to MORE THAN $35 BILLION dollars. A hell of a lot of money removed from the US economy by people who have absolutely NO right to be in the country, let alone earn money here. (And that does NOT include the cost to the US legal taxpayers of more than $400 Billion in undeserved (read that ILLEGALLY OBTAINED) benefits, ALSO paid for by the US (legal) taxpayers.
Which is why TRUMP was elected- to kick them ALL out and keep them out via “The Wall”.
(Perhaps now we can get the right to OFFICIALLY repel all illegal alien invaders properly. At the end of a barrel.)
Send in Frank Hamer, Texas Ranger!!!!!!!
I thought Native Americans owned America for 20,000 years and Spain “claimed” this territory for for 300 years and Mexico “claimed” for 20 years and the USA conquered and owned it for 168 years. At the time we conquered all people were allowed to remain and become Americans.
Since history began it’s been who lived on land and who conquered who owned land.
We conquered this land and paid for this land with our lives and money.
Mexico’s “claims” to the USA are LOL “claims”. At the time of Mexico’s 20 year “claims” they had not even conquered most Native Nation People and colonist Mexicans only represented 5% of population. Now this claim is like saying colonist like British still on India and South Africa.
Cali is ready part of Mexico. They can have it. They already made it u to a **** pit!
**** the Mexicants ??
Screw Mexico, the Mexicans and the Liberal assholes that are in charge of California right now. Throw all the Sympathising Liberal Jackass`s out of the USA and California. They want to be Mexican, fine. Move your stupid ***`s to Mexico and Stay there.
Couldn’t agree more
Good luck with that.
Hell give California to Mexico. California governor wants the illegals in so **** might as give California to Mexico. To bad California wouldn’t just fall off in the fucking ocean.
**** you Rick. Not all Californians are libatards. We are fighting to get rid of these ****** up politicians. Why are you so down on California? What has it done to affect your life?
Take out the governor of California !!! & Send in the military ??
People that give up protecting what is OURS are the reason WE were in the shape we were when Obama was in office.
COWBOY UP and STAND UP FOR YOUR FELLOW STATES IN THE UNION.
Just because the powers that be are evil Communists, is doesn’t mean everybody else cowtows.
Did you know Hispanics were the original cowboys? Cowboy is an Anglicized version of Caballero.
The USA needs CA money and ports.
CALIFORNIA HAS NO MONEY. IT IS BANKRUPT. WE WE HAVE PORTS ON NOTHERN COAST. BUT CALIFORNIA BELONGS TO THE USA. ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD ARGUE OTHERWISE. GO HOME TO MEXICO AND FIX YOU SH-HOLE LIKE THE AMERICANS HAVE CIVILIZED THIS COUNTRY.
OK, they can have California and call it even.
Hahaha they’re nuts if they let the illegals have Amnesty with their mindset, plum crazy tequila going around
Seriously?! Seems to me that Cardenas has been dipping his tortilla too much into the ‘magic mushroom’ sauce :)! His mind must be high as a kite. If this DREAMER can pull it off, then the Germans could sue the Czech Republic for the return of Sudetenland :)! Nuts!
Now I know they’ve been drinking the Water in Tijuana… These Bracerros are deranged !!!